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Tuesday, October 25th, 2011
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Kermit Was Kind of a Dick: Dissecting the Worries About the New Muppets Movie

Ever since Disney announced they were relaunching the Muppets with a new Muppet movie, one that stars my imaginary BFFs Amy Adams and Jason Segel, as well as my actual BFFs Rizzo the Rat and Crazy Harry, I've been counting down the days until the film's release. (Less than a month now!) So I was extremely disheartened to read in the Hollywood Reporter that Frank Oz and others in the old guard Muppets crew are expressing concern about how much Segel really GETS the Muppets, y'know? (Read that sentence again as Janice, and it's a lot more fun.) But then I read it as a Muppet Show fan, and thought to myself, "Maybe they're just bitter?" In fact, there's only one thing I'm scared about from the trailer that might make it into the movie: the use of "We Built This City" by Starship. Let's go through the Reporter article, shall we?

1. The Plot Is Pure Muppet (SHOW)

One of The Muppet Show’s running jokes was Kermit having to give the gopher who will go-fer sandwiches, Scooter, whatever he wants because Scooter’s uncle, J. P. Grosse, owns Muppet Theater. Kermit was forced to appease Scooter because J.P. was always tempted to replace the Theater with a more profitable venture. The movie’s plot: a rich oilman wants to raze Muppet Theater and put something more lucrative in its place. In a 2008 interview with Coming Soon, Segel said, “I just remember being 10 years old and for me, Kermit was Tom Hanks. Kermit is like the original every man and I remember watching the old Muppet with my parents and seeing Peter Sellars and people like that on.” I’ve always gotten the impression that Segel was writing the film as an extension of The Muppet Show, rather than any of the movies, and those are two very different properties. In this respect, he's remaining faithful to the original.

2. “Fart Shoes”

The “fart shoes” joke, which is maybe the biggest source of concern in Muppetgate, isn’t meant to be funny. I saw it is a meta example of Segel and co-writer Nicholas Stoller acknowledging how far the Muppet brand has fallen, particularly with 1999’s Muppets in Space and, to a lesser, yet still subpar extent, Muppets Tonight, the ill-fated ABC series that ran from 1996-1998. Plus, Fozzie isn’t funny. I mean, he is funny, but he’s not a funny comedian, and that’s the joke. There’s a reason Statler and Waldorf constantly targeted him, and why they would give him the heckling of a lifetime for “fart shoes.” Plus, Fozzie has attached a Whoopee cushion to the bottom of the "fart shoes," and the Muppets have never shied away from using novelty items as a joke—remember this scene (three minutes in) from The Great Muppet Caper?

3. "They're looking at the script on a joke-by-joke basis, rather than as a construction of character and story."

Ultimately, The Muppet Show was an extended vaudeville act, where the characters would do anything for a laugh. Just last night, I watched a skit from the Bob Hope-hosted episode that concluded with a duck that's about to be killed dropping a frying pan on the Swedish Chef's head. The next sketch: a Muppet News Flash, where an overweight opera singer drops from the ceiling, on top of the anchor. The sentimental feelings for the Muppets didn't really come into play into the films. On The Muppet Show, there was very little backstory on some of our favorite characters. Rowlf, for instance: we know he's a piano-playing dog and that he occasionally hangs out with Fozzie, but that’s really about it. We liked him because he was a gifted piano-player and told a lot of funny jokes. It's when the writers got too far into a certain Muppet's story that things began to dovetail, i.e. Gonzo and Muppets in Space.

4. "Kermit would never live in a mansion, as he does in this movie."

Actually, he might. One of the things that have shocked me upon going through The Muppet Show from the beginning is how much of an asshole Kermit can be. He strung along Miss Piggy, rarely encouraged Fozzie, underpaid his employees, and was jealous when the other Muppets professed their love for the guest star over him. It was only when they needed him to sing "Bein' Green" did the Kermit we know now appear. As much as I love that Kermit, which is the Kermit that appears in the movies, where he's a stand-up guy (frog, whatever) who would do anything for his chums, I actually prefer the early Muppet Show host Kermit (I always envisioned Host Kermit to be the real Kermit, not Skit Kermit), and think him living in a mansion isn't totally out of character. Although he would always invite Robin.

5. Um, Frank?

I appreciate Frank Oz as much as the next Sam the Eagle fan—not only is he the voice of many of my favorite Muppets, he also directed Little Shop of Horrors, What About Bob?, In and Out, Bowfinger, the good Death at a Funeral, among many other non-Muppet movies. But he’s bitching about the integrity of the Muppets after voicing Yoda in the terrible, awful, horrific, hideous, repulsive, and repugnant Star Wars prequels? Either the new Muppet movie is as bad as he says (not likely), or Frank Oz is full of it.

Josh Kurp realllllyyyy hopes the movie's good.

  • hbarnwheeler

    I don't understand what the last paragraph is supposed to convince us of. How does the fact that he voiced a character in a terrible movie make him ill fit to pass judgment as to the faithfulness of the new Muppet film to its past?

    • Joshua Kurp

      @hbarnwheeler Because Frank Oz condeeming the film was the biggest blow in the Hollywood Reporter article (and the thing that got people the most worried), and considering he was in the Star Wars prequels, it either means the new movie is worse than awful (doubt it) or there's more to the story.

    • Carl Hess@twitter

      @Joshua Kurp Not that I necessarily want to defend Frank Oz being a complaining old fart, but could it just be that for him Star Wars is just a paycheck while The Muppets are something that is important to him?

  • doggans

    Kermit did always have a lot of heart, but yeah, he was a total control freak on The Muppet Show. That aspect of his character got really diluted and ultimately eschewed over the years, until he became a fairly bland corporate logo, much like the once-mischievous Mickey Mouse.

    As for Frank Oz…I have a lot of respect for the man, but he's been distancing himself from The Muppets for years. I'm sure he has his reasons for speaking out against the new movie, but I don't know how seriously to take any of his criticisms anymore.

  • ino

    Great Article, I have to agree. I'm also a big fan of the Muppets, and in particular, the Muppet Show. I've always thought that this movie seemed like a nice continuation of that and was shocked to hear differently. The plot of possibly losing the theater was used often in the show and this remains true to that. It was also used on the(not spectacular)It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas, and I don't recall any Muppet old guard complaints about that.
    The Fart Shoes analysis is spot on (never would have imagine I'd be typing that sentence).
    As for Frank Oz's feelings I've heard that he was also developing a new muppet movie but that Disney opted for Segel's instead. If that is true it could be the root of the problem

  • http://www.shutupshelley.net/ Shelley

    I was really looking forward to this movie, and I'm not going to lie, my little Muppet-loving heart sank when I read about the criticism. So thank you for this! If absolutely nothing else, it bought me another month of being excited again.

  • Crackerjacker

    With all due respect to Frank Oz and whoever the chickenshit who has concerns but won't name themselves(And I really do mean "all due respect", as I'm a massive fan of Henson's legacy up to and including Christmas Carol), the reason why the Muppets were a success is the reason why the Looney Tunes were a success and why Pixar is a success and others…not so much.

    CHARACTERS.

    If Segel, Stoller, Bobin etc. manage to create a movie with solid characters behind the jokes, and THEN make the jokes work, I don't think I care what the jokes are. Quite frankly, Jim Henson's legacy is everything Jim left us all, and the things that were made after his passing, including this movie, are the legacy of other people. If someone wants to make something that is a shrine to Jim Henson, then all power to them, I loved the guy. But unless the performances have enough of a rounded character behind them, they just won't matter, "fart jokes" or no fart jokes(Even though I think this article nails it – it's a joke about Fozzie being a bit crap, not about farts). Case in point, as has been recounted by Kevin Clash lately, regardless of what jokes or stories the great, late Richard Hunt could have said, he didn't have a feel for a character for the puppet he was using, so he literally threw it to Clash, who invented perhaps the most iconic muppet of this era, Elmo(Although it pains me to say that, as my favourites remain Gonzo and Grover).

    Get the writing of the characters right. Everything else is window dressing.

  • funnyname

    Does anybody know for certain why Frank Oz is not participating in this movie?

    • FS

      @funnyname
      The truth is, Frank Oz retired from Muppet performing back in 2000.

      Eric Jacobson has been performing Frank's characters since around 2001.

      So, even if Frank DID like the early script that he read, he most likely would not have participated in the film anyway.

      Heck, Frank Oz didn't even want to be a puppeteer in the first place. Directing his is true passion.
      You can read more about it on his page at Muppet Wiki; http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Frank_Oz

  • alfred

    Josh,
    love your pieces.
    Although, I gotta admit..you're not entirely correct..

    the fart shoe gag-first off its not that fozzie isn't funny, it's that he's vaudeville bad..theres a MAJOR difference between the comedy styles of the 20s and now and 50s and so on.. vaudeville in all of it's creation as it were..was a lot of rude humor yes..but fozzie is classy vaudeville..the type the general ads would pay for and then humiliate because he tries but ultimately fails.
    BIG DIFFERENCE.
    remember this was before the hays code, but when theater owners tried to in force their own code, people like fozzie would be put out to perform because while he sucked, he knew he would be clean.

    Also, Kermit would NEVER live in a mansion.
    That's the whole idea behind him. At the end of the day, he is still a frog. so he lives in the swamp.
    or at the theater..he was an extension of Jim-which is why kermit should have been retired.. the new guys plays him like the dad who thinks he's funny but not anymore..kinda sad.

    dude- when he was mad at guest hosts.. it was schtick..old showbiz stuff.. you always do that because it adds something…remember kermit was the host in a way and 'someone common' in and stealing his thunder' was supposed to be funny.
    that's all it was -same thing with everything else kermit did. just schtick for the show..heh
    the movies had to be something different because it was a larger platform..

    i love Jason siegel too.. but from what I understand Oz was making a script himself to reboot the franchise and disney dropped him when jason had an idea..so maybe bitter but he has every right to be because he knows better.

    remember the whole muppet show was 'a show' so everything had to follow rules.

    • FS

      @alfred
      Did you ever see the movie?

      It is revealed that Miss Piggy had the mansion built in the hopes that they would get married and grow old together.
      Kermit would just look after it.

      And by the way, the guy who currently does Kermit was is one of the classic Muppet performers who worked alongside Jim Henson, and Jim liked him.

    • FS

      @alfred
      "so maybe bitter but he has every right to be because he knows better."

      Not necessarily.

      By the way, in case you haven't heard, the film has received critical acclaim.

  • alfred

    show business-two key words

  • alfred

    also fozzie was an adult bear who slept with a teddy bear-that more than shows his gentleness so why would he go blue as fart jokes?

  • Ray Anselmo@twitter

    Actually, alfred, the people most likely to sleep with teddy bears are also the people most likely to find fart jokes funny — namely, grade-schoolers. No contradiction there, really. (My 10-year-old daughter thinks the Fart Shoes are hilarious …)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Sullivan/88300377 Ryan Sullivan

    Here's what I don't get. Whoopie cushions make fart noises. That's what they do. It's their ENTIRE purpose. How many times has Fozzie or any of the muppets mentioned Whoopie cushions? Many. So why is it when one actually gets used people freak out? Its the sound they make!

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