Monday, February 25th, 2013

Watch Seth MacFarlane and Amy Poehler and Tina Fey's Awards Show Monologues, Side by Side

Seth MacFarlane's Oscar hosting stint last night fell short of the job Amy Poehler and Tina Fey did as Golden Globes hosts earlier this year. Here's most of MacFarlane's opening segment (above) and Poehler and Fey's (below) if you want to compare and contrast for yourself.

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  • Colin Perkins

    C'mon, if Tina & Amy had done the EXACT SAME monologue the internet would be falling all over themselves to praise them as edgy and creative. The Captain Kirk bit was great.

  • http://thelisaham.com lisanham

    I agree that Tina & Amy could have easily made the exact same jokes, and we'd all be praising it as the best Oscars ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

    It may be true that Amy and Tina could have made the same jokes and we'd be praising them for it, but isn't likability and delivering part of that indefinable thing that makes a host work? And isn't it less creepy having Amy and Tina singing about boobs than Seth "Unexamined Privileged" MacFarlane?

    • Colin Perkins

      You find Seth MacFarlane to be poor at standing on stage and delivering jokes? Really? Also, what is "Unexamined Privileged" supposed to mean?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

        Yeah, I think he made terrible jokes and then sold them out by saying stuff like "well I didn't know we were going with THAT joke!" If you're making a joke, stand by the joke.

        And unexamined privileged means he's a straight white dude from an upper-middle-class family making sexist, racist jokes without any underlying satire. If they'd been funny, I'd have forgiven them. But they weren't. And so I didn't.

        • Colin Perkins

          To put it mildly, the "unexamined privileged" shit is moronic. We're now breaking down who can make what jokes based on where they come from and what family they grew up in as a kid? How un-comedic can you get? Are men allowed to make jokes about women and vice-versa? Do they have to be from poor families in mixed-race communities? What about jokes that examine racial topics? I guess those are off limits too.

          I'd love to hear what joke you thought was racist.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

            Actually yes, context of a joke matters. If Louie CK had Chris Rock's routine, he'd be run out of town. So when Seth MacFarlane, a straight white dude, starts making gay panic jokes that aren't funny, it's worse than if someone gay made them. Although I can't think of a time when gay panic jokes were funny.

            And here we go: http://gawker.com/5986601/here-are-all-of-seth-macfarlanes-predictable-sexist-homophobic-and-racist-oscar-jokes

          • Colin Perkins

            You actually don't know that Seth MacFarlane isn't gay. There's been plenty of speculation over the years that he may be.

            A comedian inviting the Gay Men's Chorus on the show and then skewering how many straight men act toward homosexuals would not at all qualify as gay panic. You clearly don't know the definition of that term at all.

            Also, nobody ever said you could take one comedian's jokes and just give them unchanged to another comedian. That doesn't make a case for context. You claimed that someone from an upper-middle-class family can't joke about race, sex, etc. In fact, Louis CK does that very thing. He uses the N-word (Although he would hate me saying "N-Word"), makes plenty of jokes about women that could be labeled as sexist (Even though they aren't), and he came from a middle-class background.

            Furthermore, that Gawker video is pure garbage. They included the green room bit with Sally Field. The ones she participated in. How is that offensive again?

            Do you have specific opinions on what you found offensive or do you just blindly take your cues from Gawker? Because, I have to say, they aren't exactly the arbiters of political correctness.

          • Colin Perkins

            Let's just agree to disagree.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

            I mean, I'm aware we disagree.

          • Colin Perkins

            I love that you just admitted to the fact that I asked you what you thought was racist and instead of you explaining it from your own point of view and with your own opinions, you went and Googled. That's awfully telling.

            Also, you STILL can't tell me what in the Sally Field bit was sexist. That he wore a nun costume? That they joked about how it was obvious Anne Hathaway would win her category? That they made out? Where was the sexism?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

            It's awfully telling that instead of recalling the awful, forgettable jokes from last night's snooze fest, I had to Google it? Yeah, I didn't spend my night rewatching the show in preparation for the comment discussions I'd be having the next day.

            And it was really that the Sally Field bit, about how the host used to masturbate watching her in The Flying Nun and Gidget, was one of many, many instances where women in the telecast were referred to as objects of the male gaze. One time is fine. Twice is okay. MacFarlane did a whole dumb song about breasts. (But he made it meta, so you know, he didn't mean it!)

            Seth MacFarlane played to the smug, misogynist male nerds of the audience, the kind who say people should "lighten up" and that "it's only a joke" when people call out their unfunny, bigoted jokes as unfunny and bigoted.

            I will say this. the Van Trapp bit made me laugh.

          • carson1

            I think it's undeniable that a lot of the vitriol MacFarlane has received has been due to people's pre-conceptions of who he his. I'm no fan of his work and I'm really ambivalent to his ability to perform (SNL hosting gig aside), but I really believe that if anybody else told the jokes that he told last night and if they told him in the EXACT same manner, they would be given a pass, if not outright praised. Seth told some good jokes last night and he also told some clunkers (that Denzel Washington/Eddie Murphy joke was brutal). The opening monologue worked enough for me, as did some other parts. It was mixed bag – but of course, the mouthbreathers of the Internet only know the language of hyperbolic hate, so something like Seth's vaguely-risky, vaguely-hacky, fitfully funny performance gets accused of racism (it was there), homophobia (no) and sexism (not at all). I know Seth's not cool and Amy and Tina are (hell, people still think they were good on Weekend Update together), but there's a whole little of reaching going on with the criticism of his performance last night.
            Also, I've never once been on reddit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

            If you're saying the vitriol is based on his two terrible tv shows, yes, part of it is his proven track record of bad comedy. It's not giving someone a pass if they elevate this kind of awful material. It's being honest. Don't assume I think MacFarlane was bad because he was MacFarlane. He was bad because nothing he said was funny.

            And really, do you understand what sexism means? Because it was LOADED with sexist bullshit. If last night had a theme, it was men with long blond hair and Seth MacFarlane's broing out over the women. It's not reaching if he didn't make me laugh.

            And I wasn't OFFENDED by the John Wilkes-Booth joke as an American. I was OFFENDED as a person who enjoys comedy. Maybe some people were "ooh"ing because they thought it was in poor taste. I was "ooh"ing because I couldn't believe that joke made it through dress rehearsals.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=26107817 David Clarke

            I know that Seth MacFarlane isn't publicly gay, and there was a punchline based on the fact that he'd join the gay men's chorus. The joke there? HE MIGHT BE GAY HAHA LOL!

            I part of context is who delivers jokes. I've never said jokes were interchangable. But if some – SOME – of Seth MacFarlane's lame jokes were delivered by a more talented comic, I'd have forgiven them.

            carson1 I linked to a video that Gawker posted. Not that Gawker needs defending. They're a publication that publishes opinions from hundreds of writers, and if linking to them is reason enough that I'm wrong, well then you're probably a Reddit user, aren't you?

            To the Louie CK argument – I agree that CK uses the n-word in a smart and funny way. But you're missing my other point. Seth MacFarlane made a bunch of bigoted jokes, but it wasn't satire. CK was making a point about language. Seth MacFarlane was saying all black people looked the same to him and BOOBS cause BOOBS HAHA women be objects!
            And Sally Field is not the arbiter of what's sexist. It's subjective. Maybe she dug the joke. Maybe her publicist told her it'd be a good idea. I don't know. I don't care. But her endorsement of a sexist joke doesn't mean it's not sexist.

            I'll add, I posted this before I saw the Gawker video. I only put that up because you were all "I'd love to hear what joke you thought was racist" and I googled "Seth MacFarlane racist sexist jokes Oscars" and that article came up with a handy video.

            If he were funny, I wouldn't have minded any of this. I'd have brushed it off. But last night, he was doing Billy Crystal level stuff. To his credit, unlike Crystal, he didn't turn to black face.

          • carson1

            Linking to a goddamn Gawker article to help solidify your argument is a lowpoint in the history of online arguing.

  • http://twitter.com/sarahcpr Sarah Cooper

    I don't care. I am still laughing at that sock puppet Flight skit.

  • Jerry

    Seth MacFarlane was hilarious. Sorry, Splitsider. We know you only endorse NBC things, but popular NBC is not anymore.

  • mike

    Gonna disagree… I don't even usually like Seth Macfarlane and I think he did a fine job. He took some shots with his monologue, most of which landed and he was respectful to the show and kept it flowing, which is the most important job of the Oscars host.

    What's the point of comparing him to Tina and Amy anyway?